The Technical File ... its shake up time

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The Technical File ... its shake up time

Postby plateglass » Sun Jan 10, 2010 9:33 pm

Push Drive Carve Freewheel, This is the technique of the double push contrary to popular belief there is no double push within the technique just the 4 basic movements.

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Re: The Technical File ... its shake up time

Postby Dan B » Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:03 am

This would make more sense if it made any sense

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Re: The Technical File ... its shake up time

Postby aTMsA » Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:42 am

The double push is in fact the four basic cubed movements of time cube. If you don't understand it is because you're educated evil.

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Re: The Technical File ... its shake up time

Postby ian5f7 » Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:29 pm

I must be very evily educated, never understood a word,
prefer "suck squeeze bang blow " anyway :lol:

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Re: The Technical File ... its shake up time

Postby gummidge » Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:48 pm

plateglass wrote:Push Drive Carve Freewheel, This is the technique of the double push contrary to popular belief there is no double push within the technique just the 4 basic movements.

And there was me thinking that "double push" meant two pushes. Ah well, that'll teach me for being at least slightly literate and numerate.

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Re: The Technical File ... its shake up time

Postby Dan B » Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:47 pm

He doesn't seem to have come back to the thread (or any other)

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Re: The Technical File ... its shake up time

Postby plateglass » Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:19 pm

Im still here, just having a laugh at your expense

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Re: The Technical File ... its shake up time

Postby Look no Skywater » Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:25 pm

You might think so but we very much doubt that. Why not post some evidence of what you posted so we can stop laughing at your expense.

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Re: The Technical File ... its shake up time

Postby plateglass » Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:27 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKjRhIOwBBQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEY9BehOqLM

watch both videos and tell me where you see a double push.

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Re: The Technical File ... its shake up time

Postby Bella83 » Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:44 pm

well if either of them were in my pace line i'd have decked them

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Re: The Technical File ... its shake up time

Postby plateglass » Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:56 pm

I don't think that would be at all possible your way too slow !!

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Re: The Technical File ... its shake up time

Postby steph » Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:14 pm

plateglass wrote:Push Drive Carve Freewheel, This is the technique of the double push contrary to popular belief there is no double push within the technique just the 4 basic movements.
What's the difference between 'Push' and 'Drive'?

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Re: The Technical File ... its shake up time

Postby plateglass » Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:22 pm

Push is when your pushing out

Drive is what you do once the push stroke has been completed,
this is when you drive your skate forward under your body ready to start your push stroke,
depending on if you carve or not will determine your push length.

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Re: The Technical File ... its shake up time

Postby Phil » Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:34 pm

you make it sound like a) we all think the double push exists b) we all think the double push is a good skating technique c) you think we care

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Re: The Technical File ... its shake up time

Postby Dan B » Thu Jan 14, 2010 10:23 am

Well, if you start by making up your own terminology it's not surprising you're going to disagree with everyone else

I see setdown ; underpush; slight steer [*]; regular push; recovery and then setdown again. Where you say "drive" I would say you're describing the last part of the setdown

[*] not a "wrench your foot round" steer, just a "shift your bodyweight slightly to unweight the front of your skate" steer

[ edit: and frankly I'm sceptical that "freewheeling" has any part to play in fast skating, but it certainly isn't part of DP, where the whole point is to replace the passive glide with some actual work done ]

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Re: The Technical File ... its shake up time

Postby gummidge » Thu Jan 14, 2010 10:49 am

plateglass, are you saying that there is no leg extension in the underpush, and hence no actual secondary push?

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Re: The Technical File ... its shake up time

Postby Dan B » Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:05 am

"No push in the underpush" is a common fault among people who think they can DP but can't, but I see plenty of leg extension in the Schneider video. It's not as easy to tell with Scott, but that's just becuase he has shorter legs and the underpush is shorter

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Re: The Technical File ... its shake up time

Postby Cedy » Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:34 pm

I think this guy should practise his lemons

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Re: The Technical File ... its shake up time

Postby plateglass » Thu Jan 14, 2010 10:31 pm

First up Dan sorry for the terminology but im from the other side of the world where
my terminology differs from yours,
"I see setdown ; underpush; slight steer [*]; regular push; recovery and then setdown again."
your correct Dan in saying setdown,slight steer ( this is where the freewheel comes in after
the setdown and before the regular push), regular push, recovery then setdown again.

"Where you say "drive" I would say you're describing the last part of the setdown" yes thats correct.
The part you say under push is the part i see freewheeling, could you please explain your version of how power is generated during the under push ?

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Re: The Technical File ... its shake up time

Postby plateglass » Thu Jan 14, 2010 10:45 pm

gummidge wrote:plateglass, are you saying that there is no leg extension in the underpush, and hence no actual secondary push?


The angle between the Femur and the tibia does not change more than a few degrees
from the point just before setdown and around half way trough the regular push

this is a great video to show this, note the set down angle in relation to an imaginary center line
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfrytWpfdQ4

check out skatemill 2,3,4,and 5


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