Can serpentineroad.com be improved? [POLL]

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Do you think the forum Serpentineroad.com has room for improvement?

Poll ended at Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:01 pm

No - I like it the way it is
29
43%
Maybe - But I am not sure how
14
21%
Yes - I know it can be better
25
37%
 
Total votes: 68

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Can serpentineroad.com be improved? [POLL]

Postby Q... » Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:01 pm

The people who know me will understand that I am opinionated and lack of diplomacy. I appologise for this in advance.
I think that many things are great about our forum. But I am certain that their is much room for improvement.

We should always try and protect the great things about sr.com but I believe it is our duty to challenge ourselves and question the use and purpose of such great forum.

What is SR.com?
What do we want to achieve?
Who is SR.com for?

I would like to open a discussion on the good, and the not so good things about sr.com.

IMHO:

the +:
- The liveliness
- The response time on questions
- The friendliness
- The ability to organise meeting and parties efficiently (sometimes better than Facebook)
- The skating related knowledge of it's regular members
- The neutrality of the site and the respect of everyones opinion
- The fact that our friends on sr.com are also our friends in real life


the -:
- We have lost the welcoming feeling we once had towards the new comers.
- As the regulars all know each other, it has always been intimidating for newbies to post for the first time. How can we make it less scary?
- The overcrowded stupidness; post chav syndrome; that consist in showing which of us has the biggest penis by dumbing down each other
- Have different forums for the different disciplines of skating (to ease browsing experience)

I am sure you will have more to say on the + and - or the forum.

What do YOU think?
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Re: Can serpentineroad.com be improved?

Postby Q... » Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:07 pm

In my opinion:

What is SR.com?
A skating forum for people from all over the world to talk in, make friends, get info about all skating related.

What do we want to achieve?
We have the traffic and liveliness, let's use it to develop our sport, help people who haven't got the luck to be in the capital and close to skaters.
Keep the friendliness of the place without the feeling of exclusivity that it now has

Who is SR.com for?
It is for anyone who is interested in skating and passionate about the sport.
We MUST make this forum more open to new comers

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Re: Can serpentineroad.com be improved? [POLL]

Postby Bella83 » Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:28 pm

I love having somewhere to be truly silly but also tells me what is going on in the skating world.
People always go on about how it's not so welcoming anymore, but the community has got much bigger so there are a lot more diversity.

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Re: Can serpentineroad.com be improved? [POLL]

Postby Steve » Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:59 pm

A good post. I'd be interested to read the comments.

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Re: Can serpentineroad.com be improved? [POLL]

Postby Stevie B » Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:09 pm

Strangely I seem to agree with a lot of Blobs sentiments. I think it is very easy for those of us with enormous post counts and lots of real friends on the forum to forget how intimidating/strange/clicky/hostile (sometimes) the forum can feel. Back in the day we had door greeters innit but now the only real place to introduce yourself is in that thread and new members can often be missed. I havent read the T&Cs for ages or the Read Me threads but do they explain how unlike a lot of other forums the majority of us actualy know each other in the flesh? Understanding that the level of banter is effected by the real relationships could go a long way to making new menbers feel comfertable and even encourage more of them out on to the streets with us.

Would it be an idea to have a standard PM that admin send out to new members outlining some of the intracacies of this community?
I know that if I didnt know most of you before hand I could be forgiven for thinking a lot of you were knobs. LOL.

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Re: Can serpentineroad.com be improved? [POLL]

Postby SkateKitten » Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:42 pm

I think its a pretty good forum personally.

One thing that works for and against the forum is the number of people who know each other outside of the forum. This is the only forum I know of where loads of people know each other outside of the forum which is great but on the other hand, it makes the forum a little hard going for new people or people who don't get to go to Hyde Park very much.

The problem is that the people in the clickey bit don't really see how it looks to people on the outside so I guess the question is, should SR be purely for the clicky groups that all know each other outside of the forum? In which case, its fine how it is. New people will come along occasionally but whether they stick around for long is another matter.

If the forum is to be aimed at anyone with a passion for skating then perhaps all the in-jokes, general pissing around on all the sub forums (not just Foo) should be reduced?

What about having a sub forum for new people to introduce themselves?

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Re: Can serpentineroad.com be improved? [POLL]

Postby Anothersillyname » Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:51 pm

I do enjoy Serp Road but I tend to run off and hide sometimes. I have seen things said on here that are very hurtful to people outside the clique (although I'm told that this is more limited to private forums these days) and I do feel nervous about posting things that might get ripped into. Recently, someone suggested posting some of my off-skate activities to the forum because they thought some people might be interested. Talking to other forum users suggested it wasn't a good idea: there was just too much chance of someone deciding they could make it piss-take of the week and slamming into it. It's a shame when people feel they have to self-censor like that.

It's a common thing about computer forums that people who would always maintain a basic level of civilised behaviour face-to-face can just be complete animals on the Net. The Sunday Times was sounding off about behaviour on Mumsnet (of all places) only the other week. If I knew the solution I'd patent it and make a fortune. (I am on a writers' forum - which offers phenomenal opportunities for unpleasantness - and it seems very civilised, largely because the Mods say that they simply won't tolerate abuse. It's a big forum and it does work but I'm not sure that it could be applied here.)

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Re: Can serpentineroad.com be improved? [POLL]

Postby yaustar » Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:52 pm

Being a newbie myself, I haven't really had any problems (except maybe missing one or two in-jokes). I do have a feeling that it might be forum newbies (people who don't frequent or use online forums much) that will feel alienated from the core community.

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Re: Can serpentineroad.com be improved? [POLL]

Postby evilzzz » Tue Feb 23, 2010 3:16 pm

The silliness and cliqueness make the forum what it is, but the flipside (for me) is that it also a turnoff for a lot of really good skaters, and so as a technical resource is quite sub-par compared to what it could be given the talent out there.

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Re: Can serpentineroad.com be improved? [POLL]

Postby Miesque » Tue Feb 23, 2010 3:31 pm

Stevie B wrote: I think it is very easy for those of us with enormous post counts and lots of real friends on the forum to forget how intimidating/strange/clicky/hostile (sometimes) the forum can feel. Back in the day we had door greeters innit

I don't ever remember a time when SR (and LS beforehand) wasn't cliquey/intimidating. Foo is based on sharp-edged sarcasm.
Maybe newbies need a playpen where they can socialise before they start to mix with the big kids.
What about a health warning that Gummidge can seriously damage your self esteem?

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Re: Can serpentineroad.com be improved? [POLL]

Postby Q... » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:05 pm

evilzzz wrote:The silliness and cliqueness make the forum what it is, but the flipside (for me) is that it also a turnoff for a lot of really good skaters, and so as a technical resource is quite sub-par compared to what it could be given the talent out there.



I think you are on the ball here. The liveliness of the forum is why it is so successfull. Nothing worse than a dull and 100% serious forum where no one posts anything.
however, where are all the best skaters here? I know a lots of skaters who do not look at sr.com because of the silliness and cliqueness.

Can't we have fun, have good chats and keep the forum interesting but without spamming the forum with shit all the time?


You are also correct in saying that in term of information and ressource we are well under par.
Surely this can be resolved fairly easily by us (me) doig a bitmore work on finding content and interesting post about skating.

I would be up for expanding the skating side of things.

please have a look at the french forum (I know this is a UK and we like to do thigs differently but we could always inspire ourselves from it).

I am thick and never really understood the concept of having UK Scene, Global Scene and Events. I think it is confusing and unecessary.
I would love to have forums with:

SKATING
1) Introduce yourself / your club / your website
2) General Skating discussion
3) Freestyle
4) Speed, Races, downhill, Long distance
5) Streetskating
6) Other disciplines (agressive, dancing, roller disco, hockey, rollerfootball...etc
7) Technique of skating and tips
8 ) Equipment
9) Videos, Pictures and creative media
10) Commercial (commercial should be part of the skating where some moderation is applied)

then keep TARTING
1) Foo
2) Parties
3) Geek corner

and of course ADMIN
1) problem reporting
2) Announcements


Would changing the forum like this create lots of work for you Steve?

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Re: Can serpentineroad.com be improved? [POLL]

Postby Kim » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:19 pm

SR.com to me seams more like a UK community site rather than a site to promote skating and technique. And not being someone who makes a living from skating I don't have an issue with that. London has a very strong skating community who often meet up for non skating events, which is what SR.com mirrors With such a close community who know each other face to face you could never get rid of the banter and jokes without killing the feel of the forum. If people want a English language site dedicated to giving advice, information about events and promoting lessons then maybe they should start it.

Edit:
While I kind of agree with a bit of restructuring, you could never have enough headers to cover everything. Should L2B be with proper races? I for one never view by forum buy by active posts.

Can some one give me a recent example in the Skating area where joking has got out of hand or is it just a general feeling one gets? It helps to understand the problem before you can solve it.an solve it.

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Re: Can serpentineroad.com be improved? [POLL]

Postby Stevie B » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:25 pm

I was under the impression that we were doing ok on the main with not just spamming serious skating related threads.

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Re: Can serpentineroad.com be improved? [POLL]

Postby Kim » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:28 pm

yaustar wrote:Being a newbie myself, I haven't really had any problems (except maybe missing one or two in-jokes). I do have a feeling that it might be forum newbies (people who don't frequent or use online forums much) that will feel alienated from the core community.


Taking you as a case study (Sorry)

Your first thread asking for advice on what skates to buy is here looks like you got a polite and friendly advice.

Looking at your second thread here I would say the same is true.


Stevie B wrote:I was under the impression that we were doing ok on the main with not just spamming serious skating related threads.


So was I

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Re: Can serpentineroad.com be improved? [POLL]

Postby GuinnessGirl » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:36 pm

yaustar wrote:Being a newbie myself, I haven't really had any problems (except maybe missing one or two in-jokes). I do have a feeling that it might be forum newbies (people who don't frequent or use online forums much) that will feel alienated from the core community.


Maybe we need a glossary of what all the in jokes and silly comments mean that have developed alongside serp road usage, along with a new set of hints and tips for how (not) to post if you don't want the piss ripped out of you on day one!

New users can be asked to read this as they register?

Thatw ay newbies may feel a bit more involved rather than clueless and an outsider when an oldie keep harping on about panda's :P

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Re: Can serpentineroad.com be improved? [POLL]

Postby Steve » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:39 pm

We did chat about this on the forum a while back and I think the consensus of opinion was that this is primarily a community site for the London crew to chat. For that reason we relaxed the moderation. To be honest I don't pay much attention to the posts in the skating forum and it's possible that things have got a bit out of hand there and we need to moderate it more. I see no reason why we can't offer a place to post/read serious skating discussions as well as having all the fun stuff. So, maybe we should keep the skating forums a bit cleaner but leave foo as relaxed as it is now.

As far as reorganising the forums, I'm not sure that's really needed. Something that Mike was very keen on with the LondonSkaters forum and I feel the same way about is keeping the number of forums to a minimum. There are many forums which are an immediate turn off because there are so many different categories that it's difficult to know where one should post. It also takes so many clicks to see everything that has been posted that I'd imagine a lot would go unread. I have to agree with Q that there doesn't seem to be much point in having a UK and global scene forums. We could easily combine the two. Whether we should create more though, I'm not convinced.

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Re: Can serpentineroad.com be improved? [POLL]

Postby Bella83 » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:42 pm

Kim wrote:SR.com to me seams more like a UK community site rather than a site to promote skating and technique. And not being someone who makes a living from skating I don't have an issue with that. London has a very strong skating community who often meet up for non skating events, which is what SR.com mirrors With such a close community who know each other face to face you could never get rid of the banter and jokes without killing the feel of the forum. If people want a English language site dedicated to giving advice, information about events and promoting lessons then maybe they should start it.

I agree.
I don't think it's that clique but then again I went to an all girls school.

evilzzz wrote:The silliness and cliqueness make the forum what it is, but the flipside (for me) is that it also a turnoff for a lot of really good skaters, and so as a technical resource is quite sub-par compared to what it could be given the talent out there.


Have you thought that maybe the talent are practising instead of being on the forum? Most the really good skaters I know are speed guys, and the reason they don't tend to post here is because they have a dedicated forum for themselves.

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Re: Can serpentineroad.com be improved? [POLL]

Postby shinumi85 » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:55 pm

Miesque wrote:
Stevie B wrote: I think it is very easy for those of us with enormous post counts and lots of real friends on the forum to forget how intimidating/strange/clicky/hostile (sometimes) the forum can feel. Back in the day we had door greeters innit

I don't ever remember a time when SR (and LS beforehand) wasn't cliquey/intimidating. Foo is based on sharp-edged sarcasm.
Maybe newbies need a playpen where they can socialise before they start to mix with the big kids.
What about a health warning that Gummidge can seriously damage your self esteem?

Show them a picture of him drunk at the curve of Serp Road (the actual road, not the virtual one) and say "He's a kitten, here he's big and mean, but in reality he's a kitten, a sweet soft kitten!"

I was asked not long ago about a skating forum where the people were welcoming and the forum had real skaters and that provided real information, the guy was happy with sr.com, the only thing that surprised him was the inside jokes and that stuff, but he asked me if you were always like that and if you truly knew each other and I told him yes, that most of you knew each other and that you all got along pretty much.
There are things to be improved, as you said, the different skating styles and all, but the forum is a very nice place where skaters feel comfortable once they get used to all the sillyness.

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Re: Can serpentineroad.com be improved? [POLL]

Postby Q... » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:56 pm

Kim wrote:SR.com to me seams more like a UK community site rather than a site to promote skating and technique. And not being someone who makes a living from skating I don't have an issue with that. London has a very strong skating community who often meet up for non skating events, which is what SR.com mirrors With such a close community who know each other face to face you could never get rid of the banter and jokes without killing the feel of the forum. If people want a English language site dedicated to giving advice, information about events and promoting lessons then maybe they should start it.

Edit:
While I kind of agree with a bit of restructuring, you could never have enough headers to cover everything. Should L2B be with proper races? I for one never view by forum buy by active posts.

Can some one give me a recent example in the Skating area where joking has got out of hand or is it just a general feeling one gets? It helps to understand the problem before you can solve it.an solve it.


I aggree with most of what you say Kim, and that is why we have a party forum and a separated technique and tips forum.
But my feeling is that the "social,bunter" side of the forum has taken over the informational, skating side of it.
Yes we are a community forum,but also people from all over the world are members to the forum. sr.com is not only about having drinks at the vic or going to sainsbury dress in speedos or renaming "lemons" race because it sounds funny. SR.com IS a skating forum and should remain a skating forum.
Banter is good and all, but not all the time.

re Steve:
I see your point about not wanting toomany forums.
We could reduce the list of skating forum to something like:

SKATING
1) Introduce yourself / your club / your website
2) Freestyle and streetskating
3) Speed, Races, downhill, Long distance
4) General Skating discussion and all other disciplines
5) Technique, tips and equipment of skating
6) Videos, Pictures and creative media
7) Commercial (commercial should be part of the skating where some moderation is applied)

so the only things that change would be:
Remove:
UK scene / Global scene / Events
Add:
Introduction / Freestyle and streetskating / Speed and races / Other skating

only 1 more forum

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Re: Can serpentineroad.com be improved? [POLL]

Postby Q... » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:57 pm

Bella83 wrote:Have you thought that maybe the talent are practising instead of being on the forum? Most the really good skaters I know are speed guys, and the reason they don't tend to post here is because they have a dedicated forum for themselves.

Bella, you are contradicting yourself here!

You are saying the good speed skaters poston a specialist forum (londonskatersspeedteam?).

What about the good skaters who do streetskates, freestyle, dancing... they do not have a forum to themselves.
Why don;t they make their own you will tell me. well I would respond, why can't sr.com accomodate for these people who are already our friends and forsome, already use sr.com

Think of someone you may know like DanB ;) . He would have 3/4 forums open at the same time. redlocker, sr.com speedteam forum. That's already a lot. That is why I am convinced that having 2/3 forums for disciplines is the way to go.
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