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Re: Rock(er)ing this metropolis...

Postby gummidge » Thu May 31, 2012 8:30 am

Shaw wrote:What is the point? I've already said on the previous page that I was mistaken about street skating wearing on your outside edges due to the push coming from your inside edges. Dan B asked about how I could have been mistaken, and I answered that it was because stride 3 is focused on the outer edges. I'm not sure if he was legitimately asking or if he was just being snide, but I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt. Am I still missing something here?

Well Dan has said that you're right about that, and I initially offered the explanation that you were mistaking focus for wear.

You also still don't seem to understand that there's a difference between an advanced outer-edge stop and a simple one. An acid slide takes an intermediate skater maybe a couple of hours to learn, and with a bit of practice should be able to apply it to street skates given reasonable braking conditions. An outer-edge t-stop is considerably easier than an acid slide. I found both to be useful for wearing my outer edges, but then I stopped using them once I started practicing more wear-intensive slides which are actually difficult. There's no reason why somebody else might not stick with those if they do not intend to learn any difficult slides, but I do not know of anybody who fits that profile.

I maintain that any outer edge braking is vastly more difficult than regular t-stops, hockey stops, and power slides, which is what the vast majority of necessary, non-heel-brake braking done on street skates is.

You keep agreeing with this, but then try to weasel in a mild sort of "but I was sort of right". The point you are missing is that Dan and I are bored enough, and pedantic enough, to find it entertaining to keep pointing this out every time you do it.
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Re: Rock(er)ing this metropolis...

Postby Shaw » Thu May 31, 2012 12:00 pm

I maintain that any outer edge braking is vastly more difficult than regular t-stops, hockey stops, and power slides


Except you're wrong. A proper hockey stop is considerably more difficult than an acid slide. Take a look at the WSSA slides difficulty chart. Acid is level 1, parallel is level 3. Parallels aren't exactly the same thing as hockey stops, but from my understanding the only difference between them is speed/distance (a high-speed hockey stop inevitably becomes a parallel slide), and that's still a difference of 2 difficulty levels. I'm not even sure how this is an argument. If you can pull off a good hockey stop, you should have no problems with acid slides or outer-edged t-stops.

I can't find any photos or videos of outer-edged t-stops, but here's a different simple outer-edged dragging brake:
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It's not terribly practical unless you street skate backwards, but it's roughly as difficult as a powerslide. It's basically the slalom trick "drift," and isn't difficult at all. It does take a bit of getting used to, but only about as long as it'd take someone to learn how to t-brake with their off-foot.

Outer-edged stops are not all "vastly" more difficult than regular braking methods, they're just less common.
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Re: Rock(er)ing this metropolis...

Postby gummidge » Thu May 31, 2012 12:22 pm

Maybe you're right. I'll have to have a go at some of them some time and see if I (and everyone else) has been missing out all this time on an easy way to even out wheel wear.
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Re: Rock(er)ing this metropolis...

Postby Naomi » Thu May 31, 2012 4:52 pm

Shaw wrote:Except you're wrong.
A brave start during an exchange with Gummidge
gummidge wrote:Maybe you're right.
Wait... what?

While I'm here, trolling, I just took a look through the previous page.
gummidge wrote:Well I'd like to see a single example of someone who went to the effort of learning difficult outside edge slides to the level where they could deploy them on the street in order to even up wear and accepted the extra wheel wear all simply to avoid rotating the wheels
Hi... Though I would object to the 'difficult' part, but other than that. I T stop using both feet on both edges for that express reason. I learned them out of geek fascination since it was a trick to me, but now I use it for evening out my wheels.
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Re: Rock(er)ing this metropolis...

Postby gummidge » Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:52 am

Naomi wrote:
Shaw wrote:Except you're wrong.
A brave start during an exchange with Gummidge
gummidge wrote:Maybe you're right.
Wait... what?

While I'm here, trolling, I just took a look through the previous page.
gummidge wrote:Well I'd like to see a single example of someone who went to the effort of learning difficult outside edge slides to the level where they could deploy them on the street in order to even up wear and accepted the extra wheel wear all simply to avoid rotating the wheels
Hi... Though I would object to the 'difficult' part, but other than that. I T stop using both feet on both edges for that express reason. I learned them out of geek fascination since it was a trick to me, but now I use it for evening out my wheels.

Interesting. Obviously you didn't learn them simply in order to even out wear. But I wonder how many other skaters do use their skills like this.

I try to even out wear a bit by t stopping (inside only) with the left leg when I can. I still can't do it well enough to make much difference, though.
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Re: Rock(er)ing this metropolis...

Postby Mentally Dull » Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:31 am

gummidge wrote:Interesting. Obviously you didn't learn them simply in order to even out wear. But I wonder how many other skaters do use their skills like this.

I do, albeit not as much as I used to - outside edge t-stops are fiddly on 4x110, which is what I wear most of the time on the road these days
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Re: Rock(er)ing this metropolis...

Postby Naomi » Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:58 am

Mentally Dull wrote:outside edge t-stops are fiddly on 4x110
You recon?!
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Re: Rock(er)ing this metropolis...

Postby JB » Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:21 am

Mentally Dull wrote:
gummidge wrote:Interesting. Obviously you didn't learn them simply in order to even out wear. But I wonder how many other skaters do use their skills like this.

I do, albeit not as much as I used to


Same here. And I did actually learn them simply to avoid rotating wheels. Whilst it was a bit more effort to start with I always kept my 'long-term laziness' goals in mind.
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Re: Rock(er)ing this metropolis...

Postby Bebai » Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:51 am

For people that skate on flat set up, is there a way to avoid the natural rocker that occurs after more wear on the front and back wheels?
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Re: Rock(er)ing this metropolis...

Postby azumi » Sun Jun 03, 2012 12:04 pm

Bebai wrote:For people that skate on flat set up, is there a way to avoid the natural rocker that occurs after more wear on the front and back wheels?


Certainly, just swap, every now and again, the toe and heel wheels with the center wheels. :)
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Re: Rock(er)ing this metropolis...

Postby Bebai » Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:06 pm

I tot so :). It feels weird for a while though
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Re: Rock(er)ing this metropolis...

Postby Naomi » Sun Jun 03, 2012 3:32 pm

Bebai wrote:For people that skate on flat set up, is there a way to avoid the natural rocker that occurs after more wear on the front and back wheels?
You people should not exist.
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Re: Rock(er)ing this metropolis...

Postby azumi » Sun Jun 03, 2012 4:22 pm

Naomi, you make me crack. :lol:
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Re: Rock(er)ing this metropolis...

Postby Herb » Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:42 pm

Naomi wrote:You people should not exist.


Don't hate something you can't understand.
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Re: Rock(er)ing this metropolis...

Postby Naomi » Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:29 am

Herb wrote:Don't hate something you can't understand.
Until I get a bit more experience I'll find it quite difficult to understand people that do other types of skating. I've never known anything but slalom, so please be patient with me I really appreciate it :)
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Re: Rock(er)ing this metropolis...

Postby gummidge » Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:35 am

JB wrote:
Mentally Dull wrote:
gummidge wrote:Interesting. Obviously you didn't learn them simply in order to even out wear. But I wonder how many other skaters do use their skills like this.

I do, albeit not as much as I used to


Same here. And I did actually learn them simply to avoid rotating wheels. Whilst it was a bit more effort to start with I always kept my 'long-term laziness' goals in mind.

How much street skating do you actually do?
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